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		<title>By: John Coonen</title>
		<link>http://ittybiz.com/in-defense-of-the-big-boys/#comment-10543</link>
		<dc:creator>John Coonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poolside sipping a Mojito, re-watching the second season Burn Notice, I figured Teaching Sells was like, Sham-Wow; then, I read Brian&#039;s comment, and pull away from the Buy Now button.

Crap. Back to the real world of media and training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poolside sipping a Mojito, re-watching the second season Burn Notice, I figured Teaching Sells was like, Sham-Wow; then, I read Brian&#8217;s comment, and pull away from the Buy Now button.</p>
<p>Crap. Back to the real world of media and training.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Dunford</title>
		<link>http://ittybiz.com/in-defense-of-the-big-boys/#comment-10509</link>
		<dc:creator>Naomi Dunford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Brian -- It&#039;s not fairy tales about how an untalented loser can make millions with 30 minutes of work from poolside? Jesus Christ, what IS it, then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Brian &#8212; It&#8217;s not fairy tales about how an untalented loser can make millions with 30 minutes of work from poolside? Jesus Christ, what IS it, then?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Clark</title>
		<link>http://ittybiz.com/in-defense-of-the-big-boys/#comment-10503</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naomi, thanks for the post (and the alternative marriage option).

Sonia already addressed this, but I thought I would too.

The &quot;you don&#039;t have to be an existing expert&quot; thing is drawing all this fire (notably from people who&#039;ve never taken the course), and I find it a bit odd. It might be because a lot of people trying to make money online don&#039;t have a lot of real-world business experience.

In the real world of media and training, there are producers, technicians, talent, subject matter experts, investors, etc.

In the social media and online business world, there&#039;s this assumption that you have to be all of those at once. That&#039;s what&#039;s holding so many people down. I can&#039;t be all of those roles at once (nor would I want to).

And yet I have a very tiny business. I&#039;ve just learned how to partner with the talent and expertise I need to do things.

Teaching Sells is a &quot;real world&quot; approach to online business. It&#039;s not fairy tales about how an untalented loser can make millions with 30 minutes of work from poolside.

So it&#039;s not for everyone. But it works for those willing to do the work.

And if you don&#039;t think so, you can have your money back. :)

(uh oh... emoticon. I hope Naomi smacks me around in a good way).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naomi, thanks for the post (and the alternative marriage option).</p>
<p>Sonia already addressed this, but I thought I would too.</p>
<p>The &#8220;you don&#8217;t have to be an existing expert&#8221; thing is drawing all this fire (notably from people who&#8217;ve never taken the course), and I find it a bit odd. It might be because a lot of people trying to make money online don&#8217;t have a lot of real-world business experience.</p>
<p>In the real world of media and training, there are producers, technicians, talent, subject matter experts, investors, etc.</p>
<p>In the social media and online business world, there&#8217;s this assumption that you have to be all of those at once. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s holding so many people down. I can&#8217;t be all of those roles at once (nor would I want to).</p>
<p>And yet I have a very tiny business. I&#8217;ve just learned how to partner with the talent and expertise I need to do things.</p>
<p>Teaching Sells is a &#8220;real world&#8221; approach to online business. It&#8217;s not fairy tales about how an untalented loser can make millions with 30 minutes of work from poolside.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s not for everyone. But it works for those willing to do the work.</p>
<p>And if you don&#8217;t think so, you can have your money back. :)</p>
<p>(uh oh&#8230; emoticon. I hope Naomi smacks me around in a good way).</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda &#124; WAHM Biz Builder</title>
		<link>http://ittybiz.com/in-defense-of-the-big-boys/#comment-10501</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda &#124; WAHM Biz Builder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Tall Poppy Syndrome&#039; is what it&#039;s called.  You don&#039;t get knocked down if you&#039;re invisible and blend in with everyone else.  It&#039;s only when you stand up to be noticed that you get heckled.

And I have some very good memories of Kumbaya.  Singing it around a campfire in Girls Brigade when I was a kid.  Seriously.  I love it, it brings back happy memories every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Tall Poppy Syndrome&#8217; is what it&#8217;s called.  You don&#8217;t get knocked down if you&#8217;re invisible and blend in with everyone else.  It&#8217;s only when you stand up to be noticed that you get heckled.</p>
<p>And I have some very good memories of Kumbaya.  Singing it around a campfire in Girls Brigade when I was a kid.  Seriously.  I love it, it brings back happy memories every time.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Webb</title>
		<link>http://ittybiz.com/in-defense-of-the-big-boys/#comment-10499</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an interesting discussion.   

Courses and workshops come in all industries.  In the photography industry, if I want to learn how to light subjects I may pay over 1K to go learn for a couple days how to use strobes.    If I don&#039;t know how to light once I get home, I am certain no one is going to give me my money back.  

However, getting money back is the last thing I would think about.  The high price tag should stop most if they are not very serious about this.   I have not made any money yet online, however I am working towards it. I want to mainly sell my photography as art, but I notice the value of information products and want to provide valuable information to other people looking for it as well.  I intend to take a course like these in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting discussion.   </p>
<p>Courses and workshops come in all industries.  In the photography industry, if I want to learn how to light subjects I may pay over 1K to go learn for a couple days how to use strobes.    If I don&#8217;t know how to light once I get home, I am certain no one is going to give me my money back.  </p>
<p>However, getting money back is the last thing I would think about.  The high price tag should stop most if they are not very serious about this.   I have not made any money yet online, however I am working towards it. I want to mainly sell my photography as art, but I notice the value of information products and want to provide valuable information to other people looking for it as well.  I intend to take a course like these in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonia Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonia Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(P.S. I am a 100% unironic Kumbaya singer.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(P.S. I am a 100% unironic Kumbaya singer.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sonia Simone</title>
		<link>http://ittybiz.com/in-defense-of-the-big-boys/#comment-10497</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonia Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ve had it, Naomi&#039;s had it, Havi Brooks has had it, Darren Rowse has had it, Seth Godin has had it, Chris Brogan has had it, but that does not diminish my genuine happiness that you haven&#039;t had it. (You seem like perhaps you think I&#039;m referring to your comments here when I say &quot;take a swing,&quot; but I&#039;m not.)

I know I shouldn&#039;t have read the garbage post Melinda referred to, but I did. Packed with falsehood and it would just be insane for me to try and refute any of them. It very literally is making me sick to my stomach. 

I would love to get the point where these things didn&#039;t bother me. Perhaps some day I will. (Melinda, you are a champ for wading into that muck, and I appreciate it so much.) 

99 people out of 100 who I deal with are SO AMAZING, and I need to remember that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ve had it, Naomi&#8217;s had it, Havi Brooks has had it, Darren Rowse has had it, Seth Godin has had it, Chris Brogan has had it, but that does not diminish my genuine happiness that you haven&#8217;t had it. (You seem like perhaps you think I&#8217;m referring to your comments here when I say &#8220;take a swing,&#8221; but I&#8217;m not.)</p>
<p>I know I shouldn&#8217;t have read the garbage post Melinda referred to, but I did. Packed with falsehood and it would just be insane for me to try and refute any of them. It very literally is making me sick to my stomach. </p>
<p>I would love to get the point where these things didn&#8217;t bother me. Perhaps some day I will. (Melinda, you are a champ for wading into that muck, and I appreciate it so much.) </p>
<p>99 people out of 100 who I deal with are SO AMAZING, and I need to remember that.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
		<link>http://ittybiz.com/in-defense-of-the-big-boys/#comment-10496</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will disagree with Sonia that that if one is visible someone will take a swing at you...really? Perhaps people will not want or need my services or I may not be the correct match for their current situation but they will take a swing at me for simply being in a visible business that is successful?
My experience of running 2 physical and one online health foods stores for 12 years and consulting for 10 all very visible and successful...and I have not experienced this swinging or disdain.

Unless you consider when a gut feeling or opinion is expressed it is called whining, is that swinging? 

The growth and new ideas generated from intellectual debate is inspiring and productive. It&#039;s a wonderful to see our own foibles and be pushed to our greater selves, it does not require swinging.

Singing Kumbaya ...perhaps it would be a great idea, seriously!
From Wikipedia;
The song was originally associated with human and spiritual unity, closeness and compassion, and it still is, but more recently it is also cited or alluded to in satirical, sarcastic or even cynical ways that suggest blind or false moralizing, hypocrisy, or naively optimistic views of the world and human nature.

Life really is beautiful.
Aloha~ Gina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will disagree with Sonia that that if one is visible someone will take a swing at you&#8230;really? Perhaps people will not want or need my services or I may not be the correct match for their current situation but they will take a swing at me for simply being in a visible business that is successful?<br />
My experience of running 2 physical and one online health foods stores for 12 years and consulting for 10 all very visible and successful&#8230;and I have not experienced this swinging or disdain.</p>
<p>Unless you consider when a gut feeling or opinion is expressed it is called whining, is that swinging? </p>
<p>The growth and new ideas generated from intellectual debate is inspiring and productive. It&#8217;s a wonderful to see our own foibles and be pushed to our greater selves, it does not require swinging.</p>
<p>Singing Kumbaya &#8230;perhaps it would be a great idea, seriously!<br />
From Wikipedia;<br />
The song was originally associated with human and spiritual unity, closeness and compassion, and it still is, but more recently it is also cited or alluded to in satirical, sarcastic or even cynical ways that suggest blind or false moralizing, hypocrisy, or naively optimistic views of the world and human nature.</p>
<p>Life really is beautiful.<br />
Aloha~ Gina</p>
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		<title>By: Sonia Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonia Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Judy, thanks much. 

@Melinda, I think that puts it very nicely. 

It fascinates me that no matter how hard we work to produce a product with amazing value, to treat buyers with consummate respect, to deliver cubic shit tons of free stuff that has exceptional independent value, there will still be those who call us hucksters, villains, and thieves.

And you know what? If you&#039;re going to make a living in your business, you&#039;ll get it too. If you&#039;re visible (and you can&#039;t find customers if no one can see you, my dears), someone will take a swing at you.

Some will take the darkest view of what you do, no matter how hard you work to be one of the good guys. Believe in yourself, deliver the very best you can, and don&#039;t let other people define you.

Now, everyone please join me in a rousing round of &quot;Kumbaya.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Judy, thanks much. </p>
<p>@Melinda, I think that puts it very nicely. </p>
<p>It fascinates me that no matter how hard we work to produce a product with amazing value, to treat buyers with consummate respect, to deliver cubic shit tons of free stuff that has exceptional independent value, there will still be those who call us hucksters, villains, and thieves.</p>
<p>And you know what? If you&#8217;re going to make a living in your business, you&#8217;ll get it too. If you&#8217;re visible (and you can&#8217;t find customers if no one can see you, my dears), someone will take a swing at you.</p>
<p>Some will take the darkest view of what you do, no matter how hard you work to be one of the good guys. Believe in yourself, deliver the very best you can, and don&#8217;t let other people define you.</p>
<p>Now, everyone please join me in a rousing round of &#8220;Kumbaya.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda &#124; WAHM Biz Builder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda &#124; WAHM Biz Builder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve signed up and read/listened/watched the free stuff already.  If this is a true indication of the quality of the course, then I&#039;m there (subject to bank account approval).

I don&#039;t know how much it is, although I vaguely remember hearing a figure akin to Mass Control...  So what?  If it makes me that much then I&#039;m even with more skills than I started with.

If I don&#039;t make it back then it&#039;s either because I&#039;m slack and lazy and didn&#039;t  apply any of the skills, or I can ask for my money back.  Actually, I&#039;d probably ask for my money back even if it was because I was slack and lazy.  So I&#039;ve either got my money back, or I&#039;m too lazy to ask for it.  It&#039;s all good.

But on the other hand, what if it makes me money?  What if I apply what it teaches and *gasp* make a profit?  Suddenly it&#039;s looking like a damn fine investment.

It&#039;s very simple people.  If you don&#039;t want it then don&#039;t buy it.  Quit bitching about it.  Or buy it, take a good look, and THEN you can put your opinion out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve signed up and read/listened/watched the free stuff already.  If this is a true indication of the quality of the course, then I&#8217;m there (subject to bank account approval).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how much it is, although I vaguely remember hearing a figure akin to Mass Control&#8230;  So what?  If it makes me that much then I&#8217;m even with more skills than I started with.</p>
<p>If I don&#8217;t make it back then it&#8217;s either because I&#8217;m slack and lazy and didn&#8217;t  apply any of the skills, or I can ask for my money back.  Actually, I&#8217;d probably ask for my money back even if it was because I was slack and lazy.  So I&#8217;ve either got my money back, or I&#8217;m too lazy to ask for it.  It&#8217;s all good.</p>
<p>But on the other hand, what if it makes me money?  What if I apply what it teaches and *gasp* make a profit?  Suddenly it&#8217;s looking like a damn fine investment.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very simple people.  If you don&#8217;t want it then don&#8217;t buy it.  Quit bitching about it.  Or buy it, take a good look, and THEN you can put your opinion out there.</p>
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