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		<title>By: Carisa Potterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carisa Potterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 15:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A genuinely excellent article by you my friend. We have bookmarked this page and will occur back following several days to verify for any new posts that you just make.</description>
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		<title>By: WAHM Biz Builder&#124;Work at Home Mom Business Building Tips</title>
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		<dc:creator>WAHM Biz Builder&#124;Work at Home Mom Business Building Tips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] newsletter lists before, in The Money’s in Your Newsletter List and a guest post at IttyBiz on Putting the Permission Back into Marketing Take a few minutes and go read both those posts, then come back to this one.  Go ahead, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] newsletter lists before, in The Money’s in Your Newsletter List and a guest post at IttyBiz on Putting the Permission Back into Marketing Take a few minutes and go read both those posts, then come back to this one.  Go ahead, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Lee Wallace</title>
		<link>http://ittybiz.com/putting-the-permission-back-into-marketing/#comment-10745</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Lee Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reminder that this basic rule isn&#039;t that &quot;basic&quot; for everyone. Coming from an advertising background, I know only too well - having had them burned into my memory by lawsuit-fearing program managers - the do&#039;s and don&#039;t&#039;s of permission marketing. The rules and regs of the CAN-SPAM act became something of a mantra for a while there. 

Still, it amazes me how many &quot;professional&quot; marketers overlook the permission part of PERMISSION marketing. I recently had a casual acquaintance add me to his newsletter mailing list without so much as a mention that he&#039;d be publishing one. I&#039;ve also had other marketers in the biz add me to their mailing list because my email is listed on a Web site and they just &quot;KNEW&quot; I&#039;d want to get their stuff. Seriously? 

I can totally relate to your pain and am glad that you shared this post with us. Hopefully, it will coach a few more ittybiz owners to a place where they have better email marketing manners. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reminder that this basic rule isn&#8217;t that &#8220;basic&#8221; for everyone. Coming from an advertising background, I know only too well &#8211; having had them burned into my memory by lawsuit-fearing program managers &#8211; the do&#8217;s and don&#8217;t's of permission marketing. The rules and regs of the CAN-SPAM act became something of a mantra for a while there. </p>
<p>Still, it amazes me how many &#8220;professional&#8221; marketers overlook the permission part of PERMISSION marketing. I recently had a casual acquaintance add me to his newsletter mailing list without so much as a mention that he&#8217;d be publishing one. I&#8217;ve also had other marketers in the biz add me to their mailing list because my email is listed on a Web site and they just &#8220;KNEW&#8221; I&#8217;d want to get their stuff. Seriously? </p>
<p>I can totally relate to your pain and am glad that you shared this post with us. Hopefully, it will coach a few more ittybiz owners to a place where they have better email marketing manners. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda &#124; WAHM Biz Builder</title>
		<link>http://ittybiz.com/putting-the-permission-back-into-marketing/#comment-10741</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda &#124; WAHM Biz Builder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Barbara,  Yes, there are people like that - they&#039;re called spammers.  Along with those who buy lists of email addresses....  I&#039;m surprised at the amount of email lists that don&#039;t have double opt-in.

@ Julie, an email marketing handbook....  that could be a good idea...  

@ Andy, Permission to comment granted. ;-)  Mistakes are good.  Mistakes are the best way to learn.  It&#039;s not a competition to see who can build the biggest list quickly.  As Naomi has said previously (no, I can&#039;t remember which post) you want YOUR RIGHT PEOPLE on the list.  Not any email address that you can find, you want people who are truly interested in what you&#039;re offering to be on your list.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Indeed, it’s truly Babautabian the amount of time you’ll save cutting out the spam driven detective work!&lt;/blockquote&gt;  
You&#039;re scaring me here....  ;-)  I think I&#039;ll just leave that one alone, except to say that people find you, you don&#039;t find them.  Your &#039;stuff&#039; goes out into the internet - that&#039;s your Marketing - and then people come to you.  The detective work should be focussed on where your target market is and how best to reach them, not how to grab their email address.

@ Scott, yes, an email straight after the Expo would have been a much better way to make a connection.  There are ways to build your list ethically, have a look at Dave Navarro&#039;s &quot;More Buyers Every Month&quot; program when it opens again http://www.morebuyerseverymonth.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Barbara,  Yes, there are people like that &#8211; they&#8217;re called spammers.  Along with those who buy lists of email addresses&#8230;.  I&#8217;m surprised at the amount of email lists that don&#8217;t have double opt-in.</p>
<p>@ Julie, an email marketing handbook&#8230;.  that could be a good idea&#8230;  </p>
<p>@ Andy, Permission to comment granted. ;-)  Mistakes are good.  Mistakes are the best way to learn.  It&#8217;s not a competition to see who can build the biggest list quickly.  As Naomi has said previously (no, I can&#8217;t remember which post) you want YOUR RIGHT PEOPLE on the list.  Not any email address that you can find, you want people who are truly interested in what you&#8217;re offering to be on your list.</p>
<blockquote><p>Indeed, it’s truly Babautabian the amount of time you’ll save cutting out the spam driven detective work!</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re scaring me here&#8230;.  ;-)  I think I&#8217;ll just leave that one alone, except to say that people find you, you don&#8217;t find them.  Your &#8216;stuff&#8217; goes out into the internet &#8211; that&#8217;s your Marketing &#8211; and then people come to you.  The detective work should be focussed on where your target market is and how best to reach them, not how to grab their email address.</p>
<p>@ Scott, yes, an email straight after the Expo would have been a much better way to make a connection.  There are ways to build your list ethically, have a look at Dave Navarro&#8217;s &#8220;More Buyers Every Month&#8221; program when it opens again <a href="http://www.morebuyerseverymonth.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.morebuyerseverymonth.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: scott webb</title>
		<link>http://ittybiz.com/putting-the-permission-back-into-marketing/#comment-10740</link>
		<dc:creator>scott webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting article as I try and build my e-mail/newsletter list.  I checked the number of subscribers and while it&#039;s very small still, I&#039;m not about to add people that I don&#039;t have permission from.  I am allowing that list to grow organically.  

I would imagine that an e-mail should have been sent as a follow-up from the expo.  A simple nice-to-meet-you kind of e-mail. This e-mail could have had a simple link to the opt in form as a way to stay connected. Atleast you know that they can follow that link and give you their permission at that point in time.  Since you must met, and did a follow up, I would assume someone might be more inclined to give permission at that point of time than 2 years later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting article as I try and build my e-mail/newsletter list.  I checked the number of subscribers and while it&#8217;s very small still, I&#8217;m not about to add people that I don&#8217;t have permission from.  I am allowing that list to grow organically.  </p>
<p>I would imagine that an e-mail should have been sent as a follow-up from the expo.  A simple nice-to-meet-you kind of e-mail. This e-mail could have had a simple link to the opt in form as a way to stay connected. Atleast you know that they can follow that link and give you their permission at that point in time.  Since you must met, and did a follow up, I would assume someone might be more inclined to give permission at that point of time than 2 years later.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Kovacs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Kovacs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... do I have permission to comment?

;) Sorry, just my silly POME humour.

I enjoyed your post, Melinda and I think it really shows you&#039;re a seasoned hand at something which I&#039;ve only started to learn this year, if I&#039;m brutally honest, namely the permission marketing approach and how to leverage it by (staring and trying hard to) building the right social media presence.

Spam is a total off-pisser, but as an reformed spammer who didn&#039;t know any better (my fault for being uninformed, of course) I can see why so many ittybiz owners (mine&#039;s more ittybittybiz!) fall into the spam trap. Indeed, reading your post even had a few of my cringes cringing at some of my desperate Eeew-mail attempts as a one-man company sweating on the monthly payments; although I was never as stubborn or thick-headed as the foil in your story (honest!).

Why do I think the Ittybizer gets snapped up in the spam trap?

1. Being misinformed (your fault - the blue &#039;e&#039; on your desktop and a bit of time will sort that out):

2. Fear (I get that!)

3. Desperation (sadly, we ALL get that)

This all leads to a massive thought-error. You know that you can impress if someone ...anyone gives you a chance. At that point its not hard to end up wasting, TRULY WASTING hours and hours and HOURS trawling the Net for potential prospects&#039; contact details before embaking on an ignorant programme of self-harm resulting in an army of spam and masochistic cold-calling. That&#039;s what the free, dusty old sales books from the library (another waste of time) and the era of Interruption Marketing swore would work!

But a Purple Cow and change of horse later (apologies, that&#039;s a truly crippling metaphor) and I&#039;ve learnt the valuable lesson which you&#039;re sharing: quality not quantity. 

Indeed, it&#039;s truly Babautabian the amount of time you&#039;ll save cutting out the spam driven detective work!

Thanks for your post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; do I have permission to comment?</p>
<p>;) Sorry, just my silly POME humour.</p>
<p>I enjoyed your post, Melinda and I think it really shows you&#8217;re a seasoned hand at something which I&#8217;ve only started to learn this year, if I&#8217;m brutally honest, namely the permission marketing approach and how to leverage it by (staring and trying hard to) building the right social media presence.</p>
<p>Spam is a total off-pisser, but as an reformed spammer who didn&#8217;t know any better (my fault for being uninformed, of course) I can see why so many ittybiz owners (mine&#8217;s more ittybittybiz!) fall into the spam trap. Indeed, reading your post even had a few of my cringes cringing at some of my desperate Eeew-mail attempts as a one-man company sweating on the monthly payments; although I was never as stubborn or thick-headed as the foil in your story (honest!).</p>
<p>Why do I think the Ittybizer gets snapped up in the spam trap?</p>
<p>1. Being misinformed (your fault &#8211; the blue &#8216;e&#8217; on your desktop and a bit of time will sort that out):</p>
<p>2. Fear (I get that!)</p>
<p>3. Desperation (sadly, we ALL get that)</p>
<p>This all leads to a massive thought-error. You know that you can impress if someone &#8230;anyone gives you a chance. At that point its not hard to end up wasting, TRULY WASTING hours and hours and HOURS trawling the Net for potential prospects&#8217; contact details before embaking on an ignorant programme of self-harm resulting in an army of spam and masochistic cold-calling. That&#8217;s what the free, dusty old sales books from the library (another waste of time) and the era of Interruption Marketing swore would work!</p>
<p>But a Purple Cow and change of horse later (apologies, that&#8217;s a truly crippling metaphor) and I&#8217;ve learnt the valuable lesson which you&#8217;re sharing: quality not quantity. </p>
<p>Indeed, it&#8217;s truly Babautabian the amount of time you&#8217;ll save cutting out the spam driven detective work!</p>
<p>Thanks for your post!</p>
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		<title>By: Julie, the Digital Marketing Diva</title>
		<link>http://ittybiz.com/putting-the-permission-back-into-marketing/#comment-10736</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie, the Digital Marketing Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There should be an email marketing handbook given to every email account that states just what you said, &quot;Permission has to be intentionally and specifically given. Not implied. Not assumed. It has to be clearly stated.&quot; Email marketing crosses country lines, but courtesy is the same wherever you live.

I create and sometimes manage email marketing campaigns for clients. They ALWAYS have an opt-in sheet and a way to opt out. 

This person you describe not only doesn&#039;t get it, she is damaging her business reputation as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should be an email marketing handbook given to every email account that states just what you said, &#8220;Permission has to be intentionally and specifically given. Not implied. Not assumed. It has to be clearly stated.&#8221; Email marketing crosses country lines, but courtesy is the same wherever you live.</p>
<p>I create and sometimes manage email marketing campaigns for clients. They ALWAYS have an opt-in sheet and a way to opt out. </p>
<p>This person you describe not only doesn&#8217;t get it, she is damaging her business reputation as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Ling, Virtual Coach</title>
		<link>http://ittybiz.com/putting-the-permission-back-into-marketing/#comment-10732</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Ling, Virtual Coach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, adding someone to a list that DOESN&#039;T have a double-opt in?  That&#039;s just plain ridiculous.

I would never even consider that!!   I didn&#039;t even realize there are some folks out there clueless enough to do that; you always want to keep your email marketing on the positive site and ideally, write so well your readers look forward to getting your messages.

You learn something new every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, adding someone to a list that DOESN&#8217;T have a double-opt in?  That&#8217;s just plain ridiculous.</p>
<p>I would never even consider that!!   I didn&#8217;t even realize there are some folks out there clueless enough to do that; you always want to keep your email marketing on the positive site and ideally, write so well your readers look forward to getting your messages.</p>
<p>You learn something new every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda &#124; WAHM Biz Builder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda &#124; WAHM Biz Builder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jodi, absolutely!  I love it when I&#039;ve met someone and they send me an email that relates to what we talked about, or at least something they think I&#039;d be interested in.  Putting me on a list and continually sending sales emails to me?  No way, bugger off.

It&#039;s just difficult to track down spammers in order to fine them or close them down.

@ Heather.  Good on you!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jodi, absolutely!  I love it when I&#8217;ve met someone and they send me an email that relates to what we talked about, or at least something they think I&#8217;d be interested in.  Putting me on a list and continually sending sales emails to me?  No way, bugger off.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just difficult to track down spammers in order to fine them or close them down.</p>
<p>@ Heather.  Good on you!  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 03:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, hear! Dually agreed and a practice I adhere to myself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear! Dually agreed and a practice I adhere to myself!</p>
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